Dlamini On State Capture Saga: Forgive Those Implicated Like You Forgave Apartheid


South African Minister of Social Development and leader of the African National Congress Women’s League (ANCWL), Bathabile Dlamini  has made what could be considered as a hard hit on South Africans concerning the issue of state capture and those implicated in the controversial Gupta Leaked email.

Speaking with  News24 Politiki on Sunday at the ANC’s national conference in Nasrec, to discuss issues concerning the governing party and the battle for a leadership seat, the minister slammed South Africans for what she described as being hypocritical in dealing with those whose names were mentioned in the issues about state capture.

Dlamini was asked about the ANC government’s inability to deal the implicated individuals like Carl Niehaus, and the Free State chairperson Ace Magashule, and in reply, she said South Africans should have given those mentioned in the emails sufficient right of reply and, if possible, make amends

“South Africans, why are they not forgiving? They always want to label people. Why are they not saying, ‘let’s listen to Carl for a change and give him an opportunity to change’,” she said, adding that South Africans are not consistent in their outrage.

“There are people who have licence to do as they please in the country, and we keep quiet about that, and there are people that we follow very closely and do not give them a chance to recover.

“If we were able to forgive apartheid, why is it difficult to forgive someone else, and ensure there is remedial action on some of the issues?”

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Dlamini also claimed that South Africans and the media love to judge people without giving a good opportunity for the victims to tell their own side of the story.

“But also, with Ace, he is a long-standing member of the ANC. I think we want to judge people. No one has ever called Ace and asked him to clarify that thing. Someone very clever leaked those emails, and are we going to live that life as South Africans?”

The ANC Elective conference entered its day-two with nomination processes taking place much later than expected as delegates rejected the voting process which was introduced to them.

The ANC National Chairperson Baleka Mbethe was busy trying to reason with delegates as officials scrambled to find consensus with delegates on the voting process.

On Saturday night, being the first day of the conference, Baleka Mbete announced that she would support Ramaphosa’s bid after failing to garner enough support for the top position. Mathews Phosa also did not make it to the finish line and the ANC treasurer general Zweli Mkhize was suggested as a presidential candidate.

However, the ANCWL chair remains confident that Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma who is the league’s choice as President, will still emerge victorious in the long run.

She said South Africans have confidence in comrade Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma, for the work she has done… “when you have worked closely to her, you actually find out she works everything up to finer details, so we don’t make mistakes.”

Turning to the issue of state capture and the roles played by the Gupta family, Dlamini said the way the case is being handled clearly indicates that South Africans still need to address the idea about black always wrong.

“Where does state capture start? Are they [the Guptas] the only ones that are involved in state capture? They are not the only ones,” she said.

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The Steinhoff case was a case in point, she said, labelling the way the case was being handled as “shocking”.

“Why? Because of our mentality, something that was instilled in our minds, that a black person is always wrong. So even if they do something wrong, we don’t see it.

“We just know that they are correct and we leave them just like that. If they say: ‘Bathabile, you are corrupt, you are Gupta-linked’, they just say so. They don’t wait for you to explain.

“South Africans need change, and if we don’t change now, our children are going to ask why did we not do anything,” the ANCWL leader Dlamini concluded saying.